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USS Coral Sea - 19 Nov 1967 - MIG CAP patrol - VF-151 F-4B NL 100 I have spoken with CDR. Doug Clower (Ret.) several times. He is positive that he had a MIG kill, although it was not officially confirmed by the Navy. Here is his story as related to me over the phone. I have subsequently corresponded with Lt. Ted Stier, the RIO (back seater)in the other Phantom in the mission. His comments appear in italics. Two Navy F-4B's launched from the USS Coral Sea were on a MIG CAP patrol escorting A-4's from the USS Intrepid in to the Red River Valley. The North Vietnamese sent up two MIG 17's in front of the F-4's. This was a move to bait the F-4's in to jumping them. Why? Because behind the F-4's were four MIG 21's waiting for the Phantom's to take the bait. Clower and Walt Estes were in the lead a/c. We were flying in a combat wing formation and Migs were known to be operating in the target area as we were receiving transmissions from Red Crown. Jack Teague and I were on Clower's left at about the 9 o'clock position about 500 ft out when Walt called Migs 3 o'clock high. I rogered and looked up and saw 2 -17's sweeping into firing position. I called their clock positions, three ,four, five o'clock to Jack but he stayed in position as Clower continued on the same course and took no evasive action. Next I saw a missile leave Clower's a/c, and as I remember it was a Sidewinder. About the same time the 2 -17's were settling in on a firing position and I yelled to Jack "let's get the hell outta here". LCdr. Clower saw the first MIG-17 at about 170° nose-on closing fast. He knew the MiG couldn't manuver in to a position to do anything right then, and let him pass behind him. He immediately picked up the second MiG-17 with a tone from his sidewinder. The MiG-17 was in front of him in a shallow left turn . He commenced a 1-2G left turn to get inside the MiG-17 for a better tone and track for the sidewinder. As the tone got better he fired an AIM-9B. It just missed and detonated close by due to the proximity fuse. He swung his F-4 in tighter on the MIG and got a good tone with an AIM-9D. He was right on top of the MIG-17 and fired the sidewinder. At that same moment he got a frantic call from his wingman to "Break left", so he was unable to see the missile hit, but there is no way it could have missed. As he was breaking left a missile came up under his right wing and detonated just in front of the wing of his Phantom, the right wing was gone. He called "get out" to his RIO and ejected. LCdr. Clower points out that he never heard Red Crown. It has troubled him since that time that there were no E-2's or transmissions from Red Crown because the Phantoms would not have been in that area or would have approached it differently had they known MiG's were present. The only Migs I saw were the ones Walt Estes called. As far as the "Break" call perhaps Walt called it or maybe I transmitted in the open when I told Jack "let's get the hell outta here" and Doug took that to mean break. I do remember that the missile Doug fired exploded but I didn't see it hit an a/c. There was an explosion in front of his a/c about a mile, plus or minus but I didn't see any a/c in front of him. Maybe I was too busy watching the 2 Migs closing in on us. I then saw Clower's a/c explode in a ball of flames and saw one chute. Jack and I then came under fire as tracer's enveloped our a/c. The Mig firing and tracking us broke off the engagement for whatever reason and went his merry way. I could tell our a/c wasn't responding properly and asked Jack " what was wrong" he replied "we've had it, stay with me" I gave him a heading to the coast and as he slowly turned the a/c, we lost flying speed and the a/c went into a flat spin like a leaf falling to the ground. I told Jack I was ejecting. As Clowers parachute deployed he descended through 4000 feet. That's when he noticed a mustard colored parachute in front of him at about his 11 o'clock. He then turned and noticed another chute behind him at his 5 o'clock. The Navy used all white chutes at that time, this had to be his RIO, Ltjg. Walter O. Estes. There was only one explanation for the yellow/mustard parachute in front of him, it had to be from the MIG-17 he had just fired his sidewinder at. (The dirty yellow or mustard colored chutes were noticed by other US pilots in Vietnam that had shot down MIG's.) Subsequent to his capture, he was visited in the POW camp by a North Vietnamese pilot claiming to be the one that shot him down. This is where LCdr. Clower was told of the tactics of using two MIG-17's to sucker and four MIG-21's to jump the American fighters. An interesting side note is that the North Vietnamese pilot communicated the tactics they used by drawing the engagement in the dirt. The NVAF pilot would not confirm or deny the MIG kill. Some documentation suggests that Clowers Phantom was brought by down by 37/23mm gunfire from the MiG 17's. The MiG 17's did not carry air-to-air missles. And clearly from the accounts of Clower, Stier and the NVAF pilot, he was brought down by a missle. So where did the missle come from that blew off his wing? Had to be from a MiG 21.
The rest of the story...Click Here USS Coral Sea -
6 March 1972
- MIG CAP patrol - VF-111 F-4B NL 201 Old Nick Nabs Another - The two Phantoms successfully outran the MiG-21s and exited North Vietnam in afterburner. They were refueled from an airborne tanker off the USS Constellation and were able to make it back to the Coral Sea . Both aircraft executed victory roles and brought the F-4s back to the flight deck with 'OK-3' wires. Many crew members of the ship must remember rushing out to the flight deck to greet the four aviators . Much of the victory that day belonged not just to the aircrews involved, but all those aboard the Coral Maru steaming in the tepid waters and hot humid air of the Gulf of Tonkin in March 1972. The victory belongs to the ship- USS Coral Sea (CVA-43). For all those who flew, maintained or supported NL-201 back in 1972, it will be interesting to know that the airplane still exists. It's on a pedestal just inside the front gate at NAS Key West, Fl. The present Sundowners (VFC-111) had the plane re-painted to look similar to the way it was aboard the Coral Maru back in '72. The squadron got myself and Garry Weigand back to Key West for a dedication ceremony on 21 March 2008. Here are some of the pictures. For ID purposes, Garry is slightly taller. - Bill Freckleton, RIO in Old Nick 201 (BuNo 153019) on 6 March 1972.
- VF-151 "Vigilantes", CVW-15, USS Coral Sea (CVA 43), Aircraft flown by LCdr. Dan Macintyre and Ltjg. Alan Johnsonon MiG-17 kill of 6 Oct 1965
[Image Source - Lou Drendel] - VF-151 "Vigilantes", CVW-15, USS Coral Sea (CVA 43), Aircraft flown by LCdr. Claude D. Clower and Ltjg. Walter O. Estes probable MiG-17 kill of 19 Nov 1967. [Picture of F-4B taken two months prior to MiG engagement.]
[Image Source - US Navy] - VF-111 "Sundowners", CVW-15, USS Coral Sea (CVA 43), Aircraft flown by LT Garry L. Weigand and LTJG William C. Freckleton on MiG-17 kill of 6 March 1972
[Image Source - www.markwaki.com] - VF-51 "Screaming Eagles", CVW-15, USS Coral Sea (CVA 43), Aircraft flown by LT Jerry B. Houston and LT Kevin T. Moore on MiG-17 kill of 6 May 1972
[Image Source - www.markwaki.com] - VF-51 "Screaming Eagles", CVW-15, USS Coral Sea (CVA 43), Aircraft flown by MiG Killers LT Kenneth L. Cannon and LT Roy A. Morris on MiG-17 kill of 10 May 1972
[Image Source - Mark Styling] - VF-51 "Screaming Eagles", CVW-15, USS Coral Sea (CVA 43), Aircraft flown by MiG Killers Cdr. Foster S. Teague and Lt. Ralph M.Howellon MiG-17 kill of 11 June 1972
[Image Source - Mark Styling] - VF-51 "Screaming Eagles", CVW-15, USS Coral Sea (CVA 43), Aircraft flown by MiG Killers LT William W. Copeland and LT Donald R. Bouchoux on MiG-17 kill of 11 June 1972
[Image Source - www.markwaki.com] - MIG Kills from 1972 WestPac marked on Vultures Row.
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